August 18, 2007
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As question for me…
I am curious, then, where you draw the distinction (doug) between manifestation and creating reality? Such as when you manifested the information you needed in order to find the vein of amethyst you were mining? The language in all of this, our ability to comprehend the incomprehensible,does get confusing; yet I know how we think, how we feel does make a difference (because that is testable by experience).
There is nothing more real than experience….but how you then later attempt to understand that experience can easily become a can of worms…and tie you mind in knots of double binds..
The notion that one manifests some event or happening is a perspective that views ones existence as something of a duality …
and you and the event
To say I manifested that information is a curious way to view it
If that information was present and I was alert enough to feel it…
I was participating in the emergence of a shared intention.
perhaps it can be said that the quality of information we draw from the conscious energy field ..is determined by the degree of our own presence.
But lets speak of wishes for a moment…or manifestation if you prefer.
If your intention is in line with the present flow of life…
The Tao as many call it
Your won’t be expending energy creating reality,
You will be living in the moment of it
As one.
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it’s becoming a can of worms…yeah…I think I need a mind vacation:shysmile:
thank you for answering my question…you take language to a different depth than i do, but i do agree that being in the moment is the key…
ds :sunny:
I would add, when one accepts the moment as being exactly the moment s/he invited to her, then one re-cognizes that every experience leading to that perfect moment was an experience s/he desired to experience, i.e., manifested. But for each perfect moment preceding this moment one would not be the person one is.
If one looks around and says “This is not who I want to be,” the next moment is there to re-manifest who “I Am.” [I love the words, concepts, delivered to us as words of wisdom down through the ages and their simplicity.]
But to truly be present one must accept others as who they are and realize s/he has control over only him/herself in each moment, each second.
Basically, You experience others You have manifested into Your reality but You cannot change anyone but YOU and nothing that is done will ever change; all that will change is Your ideas about it.
So why not start with a positive construction: Everything is just the way it is supposed to be. Don’t like it, change it!
I liked the fortune cookie made me laugh–we women are such wonderful creatures–so full of love and expectations. Peace comes in all relationships when the expectations are set aside for love.
Wow I wrote apost, I may use it for the core of a post today.
Namaste
M
Hey-you should suggest topics to write on. You are my inspiration today or maybe you and dancing. Thank you both
Love in life my friend
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Cool discussion and post:) I will admit that my understanding of reality is primitive and largely based on concepts that I have aquired though acculturation and an everyday awareness of myself on the one hand , and the larger Universe on the other.I see myself as in something that was here before I existed and will still exist when I as I am now no longer walk and sleep and talk and such..This is the duality you speak of I suppose.I also however to comprehend that ‘now” is all I have at this moment and that my perception of the future or the past is dependent on both my ability to consider them at this exact moment….so now truly is all that is.It is fascinating to see how simple words denote things that are profoundly simple ,and not at all easy to digest. ryc We had it coming I suppose:)…but knowing that time is a construct we have developed around night and day and change does not make it any easier to fully embrace ” now” because we are creatures who love to put things into categories.Our ability to see patterns in everything while useful has also cost us the ability to focus on the whole and “now “somewhat.I do kind of envy my cat sometimes…
God,who I choose to call my higher power, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things which should be changed, and the Wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.
Living one day at a time,
Enjoying one moment at a time,
Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace,
Taking, as Jesus did,
This sinful world as it is,
Not as I would have it,
Trusting that You will make all things right,
If I surrender to Your will,
So that I may be reasonably happy in this life,
And supremely happy with You forever in the next.
Amen. :sunny:
Mia…..
“I see myself as in something that was here before I existed and will still exist when I as I am now no longer walk and sleep and talk and such..This is the duality you speak of I suppose…”
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gez .. I wasn’t quite going that deep…..:spinning:
The notion that one manifests some event or happening is a perspective that views ones existence as something of a duality…
And you and the event
I am saying that we are not in reality separate from our environment…. It is our evolved sense of self awareness that forms the models of the world in which we then identify with …these models of belief become who we believe we are
Which then creates the illusions of us .. And a separate…. Universe of not us ..Out there
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Now you went to the deep end of pool and jumped right in….
So instead of me paraphrasing my understanding of some teachings…let me point to what you were saying right from the source.
But let me begin with this quote to set the stage.
91 They said to him, “Tell us who you are so that we may believe in you.”
He said to them, “You examine the face of heaven and earth, but you have not come to know the one who is in your presence, and you do not know how to examine the present moment.
Ok …now for the parallels …..
61 Jesus said, “Two will recline on a couch; one will die, one will live
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19 Jesus said, “Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being.
11 Jesus said, “This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away.
The dead are not alive, and the living will not die.
During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive.
When you are in the light, what will you do?
On the day when you were one, you became two.
But when you become two, what will you do?”
87 Jesus said, “How miserable is the body that depends on a body, and how miserable is the soul that depends on these two.”
29 Jesus said, “If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels.
Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty.”
84 Jesus said, “When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will have to bear!”
They said to him, “Then shall we enter the father’s kingdom as babies?”
Jesus said to them, “When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]…
So I you see from these ancient powerful words ….there is some significant agreement indeed, Mia of your perspective of the very deepest apparent duality …and that which confuses us so much….
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I am chagrined to admit that my understanding of the teachings of Jesus has been limited by my pervasive distrust of organized religion. It never occurred to me to read his words as one might read those of a philosopher and teacher. These words are challenging and deserve to be considered over time.Part of me wants to dissect them ,but my guess is that it will be easier to understand them if I absorb them and open my mind to their meaning since I don’t think it can come by way of simple reason. I do see how they relate to your view of time.Thanks for that.
It can become reality when it is in front of your nose or you know it is coming. Many events need that flashpoint to reach us…
we hand clapping to birds fly…(shame, I did mistake for spell…ha,ha..)
how do you think about piramid made by imitate The Sun Solar system at B.C.3000…lol..
A worldview might be considered synonymous with belief. You might try looking at belief as a lens through which we perceive the Real world. Not only does it distort what we percieve to suit our individual tastes, it also limits how we interact with the world create by our perceptions.
We are multi-dimensional beings, existing in many places at once. Consider the dream world a world we create where we relax all of our preconceived notions and logic. Because it is not a place of fixed landscape or standards, it flows that much more easily when we are perceiving it, but this makes it that much harder to understand when we return to the waking “logical” world of our expectations and try to interpret what we had formerly perceived.
I definitely feel the Law of World views has a bearing the place Buddhists call Nirvana, that place of grand enlightenment and freedom from illusion which is aspired to through meditation. In the course of seeking Nirvana, certain “saintly” powers have been unconvered over the centuries which some might call magic. However, Buddhist thought cautions those seeking Nirvana to disregard these powers as a distraction from the true goal of enlightenment.
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Thanks …I seem to remember the Buddha made a joke once but I can’t remember it
The just of it was the paradox of the seeker…of nirvana has already missed the point…in that the seeking itself was a desire
Belief to me is a historical model of causality … ever in need of updating to catch up to the now …to be considered, not the truth…. But true enough in some circumstances…to be sincerely helpful but not to be taken to seriously
The glasses (lens) analogy works fine too, I like that as well
Now to the dream thing…. Yes some dreams are our internal constructs…as in the movie the matrix when morheus was training neo….
But other dreams…. In my experience are not our internal constructs….
And you can tell immediately when you are in those types of dreams…
Often they are dreams with in reoccurring dreams…. In which you wake up and find yourself in that moment and ‘place’ where you left off….
In just such a way as one chooses to awaken into this reality when the damn alarm clock goes off.
There are other presences in these.. Shared dreams …and fantastic thing going on that far exceed the power of my imagination to create
“Because it is not a place of fixed landscape or standards, it flows that much more easily when we are perceiving it, but this makes it that much harder to understand when we return to the waking “logical” world of our expectations and try to interpret what we had formerly perceived.”
These ‘real’ dreams I am speaking of do have ‘laws’ that govern them but they are not the same as this dreamscape
…. And while you are in them it is often rather tricky to access the self-image of you from this world.
I would suggest a computer analogy…that to enter a ‘real’ dream one must reboot and clear your ram memory … to down load the entirety of the new program …
Upon awakening into our shared dream…this we call our world…there is a moment in which as we shift programs…. And for that brief moment as you are in between you can feel a little experience of each ‘world’
Now there is one special…. ‘Place’…. That is always constant …a transition zone
From which you enter dreams…. A that place and the beings found there
Is most curious indeed.
“Buddhist thought cautions those seeking Nirvana to disregard these powers as a distraction from the true goal of enlightenment.”
I know the symbols of language are imprecise and I am teasing you a bit..
But…. Buddhist “thought: is somewhat of an oxymoron
heh… Buddhist doctrine?
Have you seen the movie Dogma? I love the part about belief and ideas… that beliefs are bad, and it’s better to have a good idea. It’s really just an all around great movie, especially if you don’t take religions seriously. And really when it comes to religion, if you can’t laugh at yourself and your “beliefs,” then you don’t deserve to laugh at anyone else.
Just as we share this waking reality, and there is a base reality, so too are there shared dream realities. There are more realities than we can count, and all of them with different rules. Each one is malleable if you know the rules. In a way, beyond the base reality, all other realities, including the one where you and I are having this discussion, are dreams.
I think Edgar Allen Poe said it best… All that we see or seem to see is but a dream within a dream.
Yes! The power of thoughts is a dangerous terrain…
:sunny:we consciously function on so many levels simulatanously..( ah u no i cant spell) …being present in the moment …is relative…is it not? If we sit face to face..fingertips to finger tips..and ..I am fully aware of you in that moment (not multitasking in my head about tomorrows meetings)and you are fully persent with me…focused..we are “in the moment fully present for each other” …When we begin to shift into altered states…my friend and I may both be physically present in the ..car for example…parked..at the beach…As we shift into altered states ..we remain peripherally aware of each other…and while having some co-perceptions and some different ones..we are in several moments …fully present but perhaps only percieving Full At One Ment…in The Now…( The Great Awareness Of At-One -Ment) off and on as our alteres states of awareness cross or merge…then..back in the car…in that Present Moment..we are able to verbalize or other wise share individual perceptions…Since ( I hear) until we reach a certain level of consciousness…we see mainly through our own personal filters…( hum…well..Me here present and reading..like your photo of the dolphin pyramids and two planes…etc..and loved ones..Cool Crystals below….Think I sent the wrong blog post to my crystal awake friend..laugh…was I really persent or not? ( not;) ((Wings))
however..human have excellent computer that worp to freely for past and future and draw imagination to brain screen..and this job take use by mind..and can control to working blood or organ with nerve..even all mecanism is doing by chemical reaction..we are driver who control to innner cosmos world..how mysterious and wonderful we are !..